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Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By blackflys
7/18/2016 7:10 pm
if you think hes a 98 speed then you havent played much.. go check out dallas in league 68 owned by tafiv. he changed Cole to a rb and that will be the best advice or warning you could get.
Last edited at 7/18/2016 7:14 pm

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By Brrexkl
7/18/2016 7:54 pm
The numbers for the RB I posted... he's not a Rookie. Those ARE his numbers. :D

It's only a question of him fulfilling the Avoid Fumble (78/88) and Ball Carry (79/87).

His SPD, ACC, STR, INT, DISC are already maxed out and locked in (98, 100, 99, 98 and 99).

Which is why I'm asking what it is I'm missing that would hold Leon Arana back as a RB.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By Brrexkl
7/18/2016 7:59 pm
blackflys wrote:
if you think hes a 98 speed then you havent played much.. go check out dallas in league 68 owned by tafiv. he changed Cole to a rb and that will be the best advice or warning you could get.


He has 98 Speed... but he has 98 Speed for his WEIGHT. Which is 255 lbs. As his Weight Drops to reach RB Weight instead of TE Weight, his Effective Speed will Rise (and his Effective Strength will fall).

Frank Amin is 217 lbs. He was the Leading Rusher for 2022. Of course his Ball Carry is 92, so 5 Better than the 87 I should hit.

Kenneth McGee is 216 lbs. He had an 8.2 YPC, which is the most of the Big Yardage Backs, and he was 2nd in Rushing in 2022. Of course he matches 100 Speed with 100 Ball Carry, but loses some Acceleration at only 81.

So it seems, if Leon Arana can get down to that Sub 220 Range, he'll be plenty fast at 98 SPD and 100 ACC with 87 BC.

It's the process of Camps to get the Weight down, he's only had 5 Weeks listed as a RB in 2022 to start dropping, but I'm told the most Weight comes off in the Camps.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By blackflys
7/19/2016 1:40 am
are those rbs that use to be tes your talking about are they drafted rbs? show me a TE converted to rb who panned out. even if he does magically drop down that much he still wont be as fast . if this was so easy to accomplish it would happen all the time. ive never seen it work out . TES are a wasted player if you ask me. value for a first rd te is probably 3rd rounder.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By blackflys
7/19/2016 1:45 am
i wrote all this without looking at your player and now that i have i shouldent have to answer your question. he weighs 255 pounds . he has zero chance of losing 40 pounds. you ran him at rb and he averaged 3.1 a carry. in real if this was tested do you really think a 255 pound te could lose that and then his speed turn into rb speed. he might lose 10 pounds for you

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By raymattison21
7/19/2016 10:36 am
TES can be converted. True you got to get his weight down. Still, I can't think of a 2000 yard original TE. Off the top of my head. But there has to be one or two or three.

I just hate to lose the high blocking skills that come with an original TE. Same if he went to WR. I also won't convert anyone who's height is too far off the position requirements. IMO of course.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By Brrexkl
7/19/2016 1:35 pm
I didn't even consider 'Positional Height', on the Weight. That might be a good point, and why so many TE fail the conversion.

I did notice that a Top 5 RB in our League is 231 lbs. So not everyone has to be 217-220.

And again, I believe other aspects impact a Players Performance. I have a Bad Offensive Line, which I feel negatively impacts my QB and RB (along with Bad WRs having a negative impact on my QB).

I'm working to fix this, with more STR and Run Block at the Point of Attack. This obviously won't help the QB, but due to a severe lack of Speed he may be a lost cause anyways... so help the one I can help, which is the RBs.

For instance, Sergio Phillips is also a Converted TE. He weighs 255 lbs. He averaged 4.7 YPC with a Long of 39 with 2 TD on 56 Carries.

This is slightly better than Winfred McMaster, an actual RB, who put up 4.5 YPC and 0 TD with a Long of 39 on 76 Carries.

Behind the exact same OL. So Sergio, a Converted TE, can do better than McMaster, an Actual RB, behind the exact same Line. BEFORE Sergio loses ANY Weight.

Leon Arana is far better than Sergio at virtually everything... except Ball Carrying. It may turn out that 90+ is REQUIRED, to which I'll have to convert Leon Arana back to TE since he'll top off at 87 (unless he has a Boom an exceeds his expectations), as Sergio Phillips already has 93/100.

So that's what I'm looking to study, the difference in Ball Carry and the Impact it has on Performance. The ONLY thing that would grant Sergio a better chance is his Ball Carry. We'll see if Leon improves as his Ball Carry goes up, to the point of being a 4.5+ YPC kind of guy, like Sergio.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By punisher
7/19/2016 2:37 pm
Brrexkl wrote:
I didn't even consider 'Positional Height', on the Weight. That might be a good point, and why so many TE fail the conversion.


At least you are willingly to TRY to switch your TE to RB , see what happens and if it doesn't work you probably will put him back at TE so no harm or no foul for trying.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By Brrexkl
7/19/2016 2:41 pm
punisher wrote:
Brrexkl wrote:
I didn't even consider 'Positional Height', on the Weight. That might be a good point, and why so many TE fail the conversion.


At least you are willingly to TRY to switch your TE to RB , see what happens and if it doesn't work you probably will put him back at TE so no harm or no foul for trying.


He was a 100 Pass Block, 100 Run Block guy as well.

So it's either TE or RG for him if RB doesn't work out.

He's so talented that no matter where I put him, I'll be wasting something.

At RB he doesn't use his Run Block or really his Receiving Skills.
At OL he doesn't use his Speed/Acceleration and Receiving Skills.
At TE he doesn't use his Pass Blocking.

He's got this Season to show some progress, as I watch his Ball Carry move up and try to cobble a better OL in front of him.

We'll see how it goes. :D Working out for Sergio so far, so at least one of the Converts might make it as a RB, which gives me more flexibility with the other one.

Re: Class of 2023 Analysis (Discussion)

By raymattison21
7/19/2016 4:11 pm
Brrexkl wrote:
I didn't even consider 'Positional Height', on the Weight. That might be a good point, and why so many TE fail the conversion.

I did notice that a Top 5 RB in our League is 231 lbs. So not everyone has to be 217-220.

And again, I believe other aspects impact a Players Performance. I have a Bad Offensive Line, which I feel negatively impacts my QB and RB (along with Bad WRs having a negative impact on my QB).

I'm working to fix this, with more STR and Run Block at the Point of Attack. This obviously won't help the QB, but due to a severe lack of Speed he may be a lost cause anyways... so help the one I can help, which is the RBs.

For instance, Sergio Phillips is also a Converted TE. He weighs 255 lbs. He averaged 4.7 YPC with a Long of 39 with 2 TD on 56 Carries.

This is slightly better than Winfred McMaster, an actual RB, who put up 4.5 YPC and 0 TD with a Long of 39 on 76 Carries.

Behind the exact same OL. So Sergio, a Converted TE, can do better than McMaster, an Actual RB, behind the exact same Line. BEFORE Sergio loses ANY Weight.

Leon Arana is far better than Sergio at virtually everything... except Ball Carrying. It may turn out that 90+ is REQUIRED, to which I'll have to convert Leon Arana back to TE since he'll top off at 87 (unless he has a Boom an exceeds his expectations), as Sergio Phillips already has 93/100.

So that's what I'm looking to study, the difference in Ball Carry and the Impact it has on Performance. The ONLY thing that would grant Sergio a better chance is his Ball Carry. We'll see if Leon improves as his Ball Carry goes up, to the point of being a 4.5+ YPC kind of guy, like Sergio.



I have a TE in MFN 1 that was converted as a rookie . 5-6 years into the league and now he is a viable threat for speed. 100 speed and acceleration combined with a 60 ball carry. Still, it was not until last season after a 30 pound weight loss was any sort of consistency was seen. He is a 4 plus kinda guy now like Ricky Waters6'2 220-230. But as a rookie it was like 258lbs and 2.8. The higher the strength or ball carry is only better. Also, height doesn't matter for running or blocking. At least I haven't seen any confirmation saying either.